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| Hi - Thanks for purchasing FSFS! This problem has affected a very small number of users - we believe we have it solved here in the Sinister Lab  and are ready to publish a solution very shortly. In the meantime - anyone having the problem can just award themselves an extra 50 points when the log book reports "off runway" if indeed you really were on it.  When the new update is published - you'll hear all about it here on the forum. 
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| Great Job FSFS and your support for this product is top notch, I loaded the new version and my landing off the runway problem is gone thanks for your hard work.
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I still have it, maybe it's a different bug I'm getting. I'm using the Jan 21 version (demo), regenerated runway data and tried some other airports in the demo area as well.
For KETB the instructor kept saying "Let's get down to the glideslope" even as the lights both turned red at 200 feet...
For the example below NAV1 OBS via Ctrl+Sh+D showed the correct course (100) for the runway. I got a bit off the glideslope towards the end of the approach (but 40% still feels too low), otherwise I had the runway perfectly dead ahead (and not 0% - and "Heading aligned with runway" at the same time!).
"Landed without proper approach" - do I need to stick to a traffic pattern instead of just heading towards a runway when it is on my course anyway?
(Oh, and how to tell FSFS a Cub doesn't have flaps? Setting everything to 0 doesn't seem to work)
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Andi piloting A2A Piper Cub ended Samstag, 22. Januar 2011 at 17:00
Aircraft: Piper ID: NC31091 Airline: Flight:
Flight plan: KHXF TO 2T5 : NAV1: GSH
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 13 Mins 36 Secs
Landing Score:24,55
Landing was successful in the following areas:
* Gentle touchdown. [174 FPM]
* Good landing speed - not too fast. [38 KIAS]
* Wings were level.
* Distance from runway threshold (visual approach): [189 feet]
* Glideslope held until flare.
* Good pitch control after touchdown.
* Good pitch at landing.
* Heading aligned with runway.
* Throttle(s) idle.
* Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
* Good steering after landing.
Landing included the following problems:
* Poor glideslope on visual approach - you can do better. [40%]
* Poor alignment with runway on visual approach - line up and stay there. [0%]
* Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.
* Without flaps - use them for better glideslope and control at low speed.
Definite room for improvement...
Flight Score:101,81
Flight commended in the following areas:
* Smooth turns.
* Nice banking.
* Correct matching of flaps to speeds.
* Comfortable G forces.
* Smooth pitch control.
* Flown within aircraft's maximum speed limit.
* Gentle taxi turns.
* Good take off steering.
* Rotation was not late.
* Appropriate position of flaps during taxi.
* Safe taxi speed.
* Smooth braking during taxi.
* Smooth climb during takeoff.
* Wings level near ground.
* Well coordinated turns.
* No stalls.
* No flying dangerously close to stall speed.
* Smooth comfortable descent rate.
* Pitch not too high.
* Pitch not too low.
* Flaps down on time.
* Approach speed not too fast.
* Low altitude speeds not too fast.
* Good clearance of obstacles.
A smooth flight!
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| I need to log a few more flights but my landing off the runway surface might be back. Flight plan: KTUS TO KRYN : NAV1: TUS
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 25 Mins 16 Secs Landing Score:27.20 Landing was successful in the following areas:
* Good glideslope on visual approach. [50%]
* Gentle touchdown. [128 FPM]
* Good landing speed - not too fast. [42 KIAS]
* Wings were level.
* Distance from runway threshold (visual approach): [180 feet]
* Glideslope held until flare.
* Good pitch control after touchdown.
* Good pitch at landing.
* With flaps - good job.
* Heading aligned with runway.
* Throttle(s) idle.
* Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
* Good steering after landing.
Landing included the following problems:
* Poor alignment with runway on visual approach - line up and stay there. [0%]
* Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.
Definite room for improvement...
Flight Score:101.51
Flight commended in the following areas:
* Smooth turns.
* Nice banking.
* Correct matching of flaps to speeds.
* Comfortable G forces.
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I have completed more flights to diffrent airports and all of them include Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.I am sitting on the center line and touched down on the runway? FYI
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| Hi Folks: With the new Jan 21 version the only way you can land on a runway and get the message "Without a proper approach or off runway surface" is if you were not: Pointed at the start of the runway
AND
Aligned with the runway
when you
- descend through 500 feet AGL
- in landing mode (you must be in FSFS landing mode)
If you do follow those requirements (above) you will hear the instructor say "We're landing at runway xxxx" when you drop below 500 AGL. If you do not - you will hear the instructor say (basically) "I do not know which runway you are going to land at..." and the instructor will not know the runway and so will treat your landing as if you had landed in a field. You will lose points and the log will show
"Without a proper approach or off runway surface" You should find that so long as you are lined up and pointing at the runway and in landing mode at 500 AGL - you will be fine.
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| "(Oh, and how to tell FSFS a Cub doesn't have flaps? Setting everything to 0 doesn't seem to work)" What happens if you let FSFS autodetect the settings of the aircraft? (Make sure no FSU file is in the aircraft folder for that plane).
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| Hi SL and PM14040, I just made that flight several times, and I too am getting the same results. 1. At first I thought it was because 116.00 (TUS) was tuned in his radio....(Flight #1) 2. So 2nd flight I cleared out all radio frequencies, Landed on 24L, near as straight as I can get it, and I basically got the same result as PM14040. (Flight #2) JoeMini piloting Cessna Skyhawk 172SP Paint1 ended Monday, January 24, 2011 at 13:47 (Flight #1)
FSFlyingSchool 2011 (Jan 21 2011)
Using: FSX
Visibility: 62.14 Miles Wind: 0 Knots
Aircraft: Cessna ID: G-BAFM Airline: Flight:
Flight plan: KTUS TO KRYN Wichita:Beech Factory NAV1: TUS
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 10 Mins 32 Secs
Landing Score:26.64
Landing was successful in the following areas: - Gentle touchdown. [161 FPM]
- Good landing speed - not too fast. [63 KIAS]
- Wings were level.
- Distance from runway threshold (visual approach): [477 feet]
- Glideslope held until flare.
- Good pitch control after touchdown.
- Good pitch at landing.
- With flaps - good job.
- Heading aligned with runway.
- Throttle(s) idle.
- Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
- Good steering after landing.
Landing included the following problems:
- Poor glideslope on visual approach - you can do better. [40%]
- Poor alignment with runway on visual approach - line up and stay there. [0%]
- Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.
Definite room for improvement...
JoeMini piloting Beech Baron 58 Paint1 ended Monday, January 24, 2011 at 14:08 (Flight #2)
FSFlyingSchool 2011 (Jan 21 2011)
Using: FSX
Visibility: 62.14 Miles Wind: 0 Knots
Aircraft: BEECH ID: N71FS Airline: Pacifica Flight: 1034
Flight plan: KTUS TO KRYN : NAV1:
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 06 Mins 19 Secs
Landing Score:29.14
Landing was successful in the following areas: - Gentle touchdown. [144 FPM]
- Good landing speed - not too fast. [88 KIAS]
- Wings were level.
- Distance from runway threshold (visual approach): [849 feet]
- Glideslope held until flare.
- Good pitch control after touchdown.
- With flaps - good job.
- Heading aligned with runway.
- Throttle(s) idle.
- Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
- Good steering after landing.
Landing included the following problems:
- Poor glideslope on visual approach - you can do better. [40%]
- Poor alignment with runway on visual approach - line up and stay there. [0%]
- Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.
- Nose down too low - you need to land on your main gear.
Definite room for improvement...
Joe MiniPresident/CEO/Chief Pilot for Joe Mini World Wide Tours, LLC.
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SquadronLeader (1/24/2011)
Hi Folks: With the new Jan 21 version the only way you can land on a runway and get the message "Without a proper approach or off runway surface" is if you were not: Pointed at the start of the runway
AND
Aligned with the runway
when you
- descend through 500 feet AGL
- in landing mode (you must be in FSFS landing mode)
If you do follow those requirements (above) you will hear the instructor say "We're landing at runway xxxx" when you drop below 500 AGL. If you do not - you will hear the instructor say (basically) "I do not know which runway you are going to land at..." and the instructor will not know the runway and so will treat your landing as if you had landed in a field. You will lose points and the log will show
"Without a proper approach or off runway surface" You should find that so long as you are lined up and pointing at the runway and in landing mode at 500 AGL - you will be fine. One other thing trying to help out PM14040, I made just a basic flight taking off from KTUS but still heading towards KRYN, and I did hear Smitty say ""I do not know which runway you are going to land at..." But gosh dang it, it was right in front of me. It's almost like this runway is M.I.A. I can't land it any better....which isn't saying much! JoeMini piloting Beech Baron 58 Paint1 ended Monday, January 24, 2011 at 14:37 Aircraft: BEECH ID: N71FS Airline: Pacifica Flight: 1034
Flight plan: NAV1: NYL
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 06 Mins 35 Secs Landing Score:29.19 Landing was successful in the following areas:
* Gentle touchdown. [138 FPM]
* Good landing speed - not too fast. [89 KIAS]
* Wings were level.
* Good pitch control after touchdown.
* Good pitch at landing.
* With flaps - good job.
* Throttle(s) idle.
* Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
Landing included the following problems:
* No glideslope information was available on visual approach.
* No runway alignment information was available on visual approach.
* Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.
* No glideslope - could not compare flare to glideslope.
* Touch down not aligned with the runway - let's point down the runway.
* Poor steering after landing - stay on the centre line.
Definite room for improvement...
Flight Score:100.14
Joe MiniPresident/CEO/Chief Pilot for Joe Mini World Wide Tours, LLC.
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| Thanks Joe for confirming my problem at KTUS I first flew from Ryan and tried runway 29L and FSFS did not recognize the parallel runway so I tried again with 29R lined up at 2000 agl straight in not bad landing same message about Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface? I will keep trying and at new airports maybe it's me. Thanks Joe and SL
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