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This problem has affected a very small number of users - we believe we have it solved here in the Sinister Lab  and are ready to publish a solution very shortly.

In the meantime - anyone having the problem can just award themselves an extra 50 points when the log book reports "off runway" if indeed you really were on it.

When the new update is published - you'll hear all about it here on the forum.

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Flight plan: KTUS TO KRYN :    NAV1: TUS
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0%   Flight Duration:00 Hours   25 Mins   16 Secs

Landing Score:27.20

Landing was successful in the following areas:
* Good glideslope on visual approach. [50%]
* Gentle touchdown.  [128 FPM]
* Good landing speed - not too fast.  [42 KIAS]
* Wings were level.
* Distance from runway threshold (visual approach): [180 feet]
* Glideslope held until flare.
* Good pitch control after touchdown.
* Good pitch at landing.
* With flaps - good job.
* Heading aligned with runway.
* Throttle(s) idle.
* Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
* Good steering after landing.
  
Landing included the following problems:
* Poor alignment with runway on visual approach - line up and stay there. [0%]
* Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.
Definite room for improvement...

Flight Score:101.51

Flight commended in the following areas:
* Smooth turns.
* Nice banking.
* Correct matching of flaps to speeds.
* Comfortable G forces.

With the new Jan 21 version the only way you can land on a runway and get the message "Without a proper approach or off runway surface" is if you were not:

Pointed at the start of the runway
AND
Aligned with the runway

when you

- descend through 500 feet AGL
- in landing mode (you must be in FSFS landing mode)

If you do follow those requirements (above) you will hear the instructor say "We're landing at runway xxxx" when you drop below 500 AGL.

If you do not - you will hear the instructor say (basically) "I do not know which runway you are going to land at..."

and the instructor will not know the runway and so will treat your landing as if you had landed in a field.

You will lose points and the log will show
"Without a proper approach or off runway surface"

You should find that so long as you are lined up and pointing at the runway and in landing mode at 500 AGL - you will be fine.

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What happens if you let FSFS autodetect the settings of the aircraft? (Make sure no FSU file is in the aircraft folder for that plane).

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I just made that flight several times, and I too am getting the same results.

1.  At first I thought it was because 116.00 (TUS) was tuned in his radio....(Flight #1)

2.  So 2nd flight I cleared out all radio frequencies, Landed on 24L, near as straight as I can get it, and I basically got the same result as PM14040.  (Flight #2)

JoeMini piloting Cessna Skyhawk 172SP Paint1 ended Monday, January 24, 2011 at 13:47 (Flight #1)
FSFlyingSchool 2011 (Jan 21 2011)
Using: FSX
Visibility: 62.14 Miles     Wind: 0 Knots

Aircraft: Cessna ID: G-BAFM Airline: Flight:
Flight plan: KTUS TO KRYN Wichita:Beech Factory NAV1: TUS
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 10 Mins 32 Secs

Landing Score:26.64

Landing was successful in the following areas:

• Gentle touchdown. [161 FPM]
  
• Good landing speed - not too fast. [63 KIAS]
  
• Wings were level.
  
• Distance from runway threshold (visual approach): [477 feet]
  
• Glideslope held until flare.
  
• Good pitch control after touchdown.
  
• Good pitch at landing.
  
• With flaps - good job.
  
• Heading aligned with runway.
  
• Throttle(s) idle.
  
• Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
  
• Good steering after landing.
  

Landing included the following problems:

• Poor glideslope on visual approach - you can do better. [40%]
  
• Poor alignment with runway on visual approach - line up and stay there. [0%]
  
• Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.
  

Definite room for improvement...

JoeMini piloting Beech Baron 58 Paint1 ended Monday, January 24, 2011 at 14:08 (Flight #2)
FSFlyingSchool 2011 (Jan 21 2011)
Using: FSX
Visibility: 62.14 Miles     Wind: 0 Knots

Aircraft: BEECH ID: N71FS Airline: Pacifica Flight: 1034
Flight plan: KTUS TO KRYN : NAV1:
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 06 Mins 19 Secs

Landing Score:29.14

Landing was successful in the following areas:

• Gentle touchdown. [144 FPM]
  
• Good landing speed - not too fast. [88 KIAS]
  
• Wings were level.
  
• Distance from runway threshold (visual approach): [849 feet]
  
• Glideslope held until flare.
  
• Good pitch control after touchdown.
  
• With flaps - good job.
  
• Heading aligned with runway.
  
• Throttle(s) idle.
  
• Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
  
• Good steering after landing.
  

Landing included the following problems:

• Poor glideslope on visual approach - you can do better. [40%]
  
• Poor alignment with runway on visual approach - line up and stay there. [0%]
  
• Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.
  
• Nose down too low - you need to land on your main gear.
  

Definite room for improvement...



Joe Mini

President/CEO/Chief Pilot for Joe Mini World Wide Tours, LLC. 
"If we get you to your destination in one piece, it's a miracle"  

One other thing trying to help out PM14040, I made just a basic flight taking off from KTUS but still heading towards KRYN, and I did hear Smitty say ""I do not know which runway you are going to land at..."  But gosh dang it, it was right in front of me.  It's almost like this runway is M.I.A. I can't land it any better....which isn't saying much!

JoeMini piloting Beech Baron 58 Paint1 ended Monday, January 24, 2011 at 14:37

Aircraft: BEECH    ID: N71FS    Airline: Pacifica    Flight: 1034
Flight plan:     NAV1: NYL
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0%   Flight Duration:00 Hours   06 Mins   35 Secs

Landing Score:29.19

Landing was successful in the following areas:
* Gentle touchdown.  [138 FPM]
* Good landing speed - not too fast.  [89 KIAS]
* Wings were level.
* Good pitch control after touchdown.
* Good pitch at landing.
* With flaps - good job.
* Throttle(s) idle.
* Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
  
Landing included the following problems:
* No glideslope information was available on visual approach.
* No runway alignment information was available on visual approach.
* Landed without a proper approach OR off runway surface.
* No glideslope - could not compare flare to glideslope.
* Touch down not aligned with the runway - let's point down the runway.
* Poor steering after landing - stay on the centre line.
Definite room for improvement...

Flight Score:100.14

Joe Mini

President/CEO/Chief Pilot for Joe Mini World Wide Tours, LLC. 
"If we get you to your destination in one piece, it's a miracle"  

Thanks Joe and SL