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Hi all
Sorry to be a pain, but I'm missing the point somewhere with the landing-scoring system. After completeing numerous flights I have come away each time with zero points, but have been scored in other areas. Landing excerpts from my last flight -
Landing Score:0.00
Landing was successful in the following areas: - Good glideslope on visual approach.
- Gentle touchdown.
- Good landing speed - not too fast.
- Wings were level.
- Distance from touchdown target (visual approach): 48 feet
- Glideslope held until flare.
- Good pitch control after touchdown.
- Good pitch at landing.
- With flaps - good job.
- Throttle(s) idle.
- Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
Landing included the following problems: - Poor alignment with runway on visual approach - line up and stay there.
- Touch down not aligned with the runway - let's point down the runway.
- Poor steering after landing - stay on the centre line.
Definite room for improvement...
Now I know it wasn't a great landing, but surely there is room for some scoring? What am I doing wrong?
Also, I have checked all the "lights" boxes, both in pilot and plane, but am getting no input from the instructor. I'm flying a Carenado c152ll. I haven't added data for it, 'cos I'm way too thick  , but just let the program take an educated guess. Have I gone wrong here too? Any input gratefully received.
All the best, Andy
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bilbosmeggins (1/29/2009)
Hi all
Sorry to be a pain, but I'm missing the point somewhere with the landing-scoring system. After completeing numerous flights I have come away each time with zero points, but have been scored in other areas. Landing excerpts from my last flight -
Landing Score:0.00
Landing was successful in the following areas: - Good glideslope on visual approach.
- Gentle touchdown.
- Good landing speed - not too fast.
- Wings were level.
- Distance from touchdown target (visual approach): 48 feet
- Glideslope held until flare.
- Good pitch control after touchdown.
- Good pitch at landing.
- With flaps - good job.
- Throttle(s) idle.
- Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
Landing included the following problems: - Poor alignment with runway on visual approach - line up and stay there.
- Touch down not aligned with the runway - let's point down the runway.
- Poor steering after landing - stay on the centre line.
Definite room for improvement...
Now I know it wasn't a great landing, but surely there is room for some scoring? What am I doing wrong?
Also, I have checked all the "lights" boxes, both in pilot and plane, but am getting no input from the instructor. I'm flying a Carenado c152ll. I haven't added data for it, 'cos I'm way too thick , but just let the program take an educated guess. Have I gone wrong here too? Any input gratefully received.
All the best, Andy
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Hi Andy.
First of all, you are not doing bad. Good glideslope on visual approach is one good thing to have, so keep that up.
Now - it is extremely important to aim straight for the centerline, hit it when touching down, and stay on it when braking. Landing to one side of the centerline costs many points and not being on the runway heading (alignment) when landing is a point killer too, so practice to be at the runway heading exactly, and hit the centerline - or extremely close to it - when touching down, and then slow down, while staying on the line - don´t turn astray.
All the rest you seem to do just fine, so keep at it. and post back when you do a cool landingscore.
Regards
Ole A
Regards
Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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| Hi Ole Thanks for your reply. But I am still confused. I realise that I have room for improvement in the areas that you outlined, but no points at all? I just cannot believe that this is right. Also, on my last two flights on final approach, the instructor is saying that since I haven't filed a flight plan we'll just have to go in on a visual. even though I have loaded the flight plan in both fsx, and FSFS. I'm confused..  All the best, Andy
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bilbosmeggins (1/29/2009)
Hi Ole Thanks for your reply. But I am still confused. I realise that I have room for improvement in the areas that you outlined, but no points at all? I just cannot believe that this is right. Also, on my last two flights on final approach, the instructor is saying that since I haven't filed a flight plan we'll just have to go in on a visual. even though I have loaded the flight plan in both fsx, and FSFS. I'm confused.. All the best, Andy OK. A flightplan is crusial to make, if you want points. The flightplan in FSX is of no concequence to FSFS, only the flightplan in FSFS. Remember that any disconnection of anykind, or any landing, where the instructor tells you "ok we are starting a new flight" will cause the flightplan to be lost, and you have to make the flightplan once again. I cannot say why your flightplans are lost, but you can always pause FSX and check the your FSFS tab "flightplan" to see if you have an active flightplan loaded. I recommend that you don´t load FSFS before you are ready and on the ground in FSX - and that you close the FSFS program when you have concluded a flight. I find that strange things can happen if you connect and disconnect too much, because of the FSUIPC interface. So I always clean it up by shutting the FSFS down completly and load it up again, before loading a new flightplan. The no-points-at-all thing is not as unusual as you might think. It takes very few mistakes to be robbed blank, and even if you think its grand theft, you always end up with noone to blame but the pilot - and we all know who that is...  Practice makes perfect. OH and btw. Did you enter the runway heading in your Nav1OBS dial? if not - FSFS thinks your runwayheading is 340 and if it is not, youre screwed - pointwise. If you have an ILS approach you must also enter the ILS frequency in your Nav1 box.
Regards
Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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| Hi guys. Ole - thanks for helping Andy. I just wanted to add, it sounds like the NAV1 OBS is the issue here. It has to be set for every landing in FSFS of any kind. When you tell FSFS you are about to land you will hear the instructor saying something like:
"According to your NAV1 OBS the runway heading is..."
This is based on the current setting of the NAV1 OBS, that is, the Omni-Bearing-Selector on Navigation Radio One. 
When using FSFlyingSchool, this must always be set to the runway heading, by the pilot, before beginning the approach to landing. If it is not, the instructor's comments will not make sense and the score will be poor or zero. 
You can check the current setting of the NAV1 OBS, which can be difficult to read in FS2004 or FSX, by pressing Ctrl Shift D (think of 'D' for [D]ata) which displays the current setting and other useful information.
This is also described in detail in the manual. Also - in my own opinion it is easier to start with ILS landings as you can just follow the needles. Just remember to tune the ILS frequency of the runway on NAV1 too. You don't need a flight plan for ILS landings in FSFS.
Please let us know how you get on and if you have any other questions.
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| Hi all Thanks for your response. You were spot-on with your advice. It was the OBS/Nav radio thing. After much googling, and a steep learning curve, I managed to sort it out. Oh, the lights issue is now resolved too. In fact, Mr Smith is making my life a misery over my lax light using ways I fly in real life, but I fly paragliders, making my flights so much simpler than these. There are so many concepts that I am trying to come to terms with. Anyhow, just to let you know that I have just made a very short flight, and was successfully scored. Flight as below: Ande piloting C152II Calypso ended 30 January 2009 at 16:01
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Using: FSX
Visibility: 62.14 Miles Wind: 0 Knots
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Aircraft: C ID: A1962G Airline: Gaia Flight: 13
Flight plan: EGTU TO EGTE NAV1: IXR
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 10 Mins 02 Secs
Landing Score:61.89
Landing was successful in the following areas: - Good glideslope on ILS approach.
- Good alignment with runway on ILS approach.
- Gentle touchdown.
- Good landing speed - not too fast.
- Wings were level.
- Glideslope held until flare.
- Good pitch control after touchdown.
- Good pitch at landing.
- With flaps - good job.
- Heading aligned with runway.
- Throttle(s) idle.
- Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
- Good steering after landing.
Landing included the following problems: - Not near the centre line - you can do better.
Definite room for improvement...
Flight Score:89.60
Flight commended in the following areas: - Smooth turns.
- Nice banking.
- Comfortable G forces.
- Smooth pitch control.
- Flown within aircraft's maximum speed limit.
- Gentle taxi turns.
- Good take off steering.
- Rotation was not late.
- Appropriate position of flaps during taxi.
- Safe taxi speed.
- Smooth braking during taxi.
- Smooth climb during takeoff.
- Wings level near ground.
- Well coordinated turns.
- No stalls.
- No flying dangerously close to stall speed.
- Smooth comfortable descent rate.
- Pitch not too high.
- Pitch not too low.
- Flaps down on time.
- Approach speed not too fast.
- Good clearance of obstacles.
Flight included the following problems: - Exceeding flap speeds - your flaps may be damaged: have them checked.
- Excessive speed at low altitude - several complaints have been filed.
Definite room for improvement... I haven't posted the above score because I believe it to be merit worthy, just purely to let you know that all is well. Congratulations on a fine program. It's certainly letting me know of all the bad habits I've managed to adopt...... One happy customer
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| Andy: You are clearly advancing fast - doing ILS approaches and getting a very decent score with only one (landing) item cited as needing improvement! Keep it up!
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Hello to all FSFlyingSchool guys
Congratulations for the superb addon you created: one of the few really long awaited to enhance the experience of Flight Simulator!
It' smart, friendly, and let you grow in your pilot capabilities.
Sorry for this opening but it's my first post and that comes from my heart!
Now the matter for posting here.
I'm at the beginning using with FSFS, I would like to use it as a real trainer from easy tasks flights (light and 95% reliable aircraft, short flight, good weather, daylight etc) to more and more difficult ones.
I must paste my final report to ask what happens (I got something like the former pilots that posted here):
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FSFlyingSchool 2009 (December 05 2008)
Using: FSX
Visibility: 62,14 Miles Wind: 0 Knots
Aircraft: Cessna ID: N52KA Airline: Flight:
Flight plan: LFKB TO LFKC NAV1: CV
Failure(s):
Electrical System inop for 7,5 secs
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time):
Working: Z08:52:44 Electrical System
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 25 Mins 03 Secs
Landing Score:0,00
Landing was successful in the following areas:
* Good glideslope on visual approach.
* Good alignment with runway on visual approach.
* Gentle touchdown.
* Good landing speed - not too fast.
* Wings were level.
* Distance from touchdown target (visual approach): 517 feet
* Glideslope held until flare.
* Good pitch control after touchdown.
* Good pitch at landing.
* With flaps - good job.
* Heading aligned with runway.
* Throttle(s) idle.
* Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
* Good steering after landing.
A splendid landing!
Flight Score:95,50
Flight commended in the following areas:
* Smooth turns.
* Nice banking.
* Correct matching of flaps to speeds.
* Comfortable G forces.
* Smooth pitch control.
* Flown within aircraft's maximum speed limit.
* Gentle taxi turns.
* Good take off steering.
* Appropriate position of flaps during taxi.
* Safe taxi speed.
* Smooth braking during taxi.
* Smooth climb during takeoff.
* Wings level near ground.
* Well coordinated turns.
* No stalls.
* No flying dangerously close to stall speed.
* Smooth comfortable descent rate.
* Pitch not too high.
* Pitch not too low.
* Flaps down on time.
* Approach speed not too fast.
* Low altitude speeds not too fast.
* Good clearance of obstacles.
Flight included the following problems:
* Late rotation - when Vr is reached - take off.
Definite room for improvement...
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I don't understand why I scored 0,00 getting congratulations at the bottom line of the landing report.
Can you tell me if I did something wrong, what is?
Thank you for any suggestions
Cheers
Roberto
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Robx
your problem is that you landed 500+ feet from the edge of the runway. Thats whats robbed your points. Just do what you did - because that was great, and hit the edge of the runway, and you´ll see the points float in..
Regards
Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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| I would think the problem is that the touchdown was 517 feet from the touchdown target. Congratulations on all other aspects of the landing. We clearly need to look into this because the log should not say "Splendid landing" if there was a serious problem. I always recommend that folks start with ILS landings - sure you have to set up the NAV1 ILS frequency, but apart from that, just follow the GS and LOC needles and you'll get great scores. Visual approach landings are more demanding in FSFS as you have to hit the touchdown target very closely. This is caused by the data available for us to read and what we can calculate from it.
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