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SquadronLeader (7/25/2008)
Boy we love those quotes - eh?  "We've got clearance Clarence."
"Roger, Roger. What's our vector Victor?" If I can pop into this discussion for a moment, my suggestion would be that all destination airports have either ILS, in which case we can all stop worrying about this and get on with the rest of our lives...  or have a pair of NonILS files for at least one airstrip, one file for each direction (each runway). When you get there, if you cannot land at the runway you expected because of wind conditions or because FSX ATC is having a bad day, then land in the other direction, but you will land at one of the runways you have the files for. If you do not, you will get a poor score, very possibly zero, in FSFS.  SL and Ole, I just had an epiphany. I could not for the life of me figure out how in the heck you could tell your flight plan that you are going to be landing at a specific runway using FSX. It was bugging the crap out of me.  So, I created a couple of non-ILS runways for my little private muni by my house. Piece of cake Ole!  So I tried out a rectangle pattern, and got a crappy score as usual. Wasn't sure if I did it right, then of course re-read the manual again about non-ILS flights. This time I loaded a short flight from two local airports, AND this time made a flight plan. And that's when the epiphany hit me. While in the flight plan tab, I loaded my flight plan in FSFS and I FINALLY saw where you could select the landing runway.....Good God Ms. Molly!  I think I finally understand what both of you was trying to tell me. It was with FSFS you could select the runway not FSX. Doh!!! So if I get this straight,  set up your flight plan in FSX. Based upon the weather at the destination go ahead and pick the most logical runway for landing (winds, etc), then if after 2 hours of flying, and the winds made a 180, you can still land on a different runway because 1) you are landing at and ILS runway or 2) because you have all non-ILS runways cover, you are covered by you upfront brilliance of making up all your non-ILS runways ahead of time? Do I have it? Cheers,
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[b]JoeMini Good God Ms. Molly! I think I finally understand what both of you was trying to tell me. It was with FSFS you could select the runway not FSX. Doh!!! So if I get this straight, set up your flight plan in FSX. Based upon the weather at the destination go ahead and pick the most logical runway for landing (winds, etc), then if after 2 hours of flying, and the winds made a 180, you can still land on a different runway because 1) you are landing at and ILS runway or 2) because you have all non-ILS runways cover, you are covered by you upfront brilliance of making up all your non-ILS runways ahead of time? Do I have it? Cheers, Give that man a cigar! Yes Joe. Either you have ILS and you can change your ILS frequency in your plane, or you use a runway with a NON-ILS runway file, which you have to have made in advance. That way you can obey the ATC if they want to redirect you on account of wind. If you only have one NON-ILS runway file, you just call ATC and ask to land at the runway you have the NON-ILS runway for. Either way is simple and works fine.
Glad that you had your epiphany.  Now you are all set for your 300 airports.... :
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Just in case I missed this in this forum discussion...  ...remember that if you are going to land at a runway, without using ILS (meaning that it is not tuned to any ILS on Earth), then you must select the runway number at the flight plan page of FSFlyingSchool. It's really quite simple, unless you tell your instructor which runway you are trying to land at, he/she cannot properly evaluate your landing. Now - I mention this here because if you decide to land at a nonILS runway which is different from the one you indicated previously in the flight plan page of FSFlyingSchool, then you must pause FS, go back to flight plan page of FSFlyingSchool and change it to the right runway! And finally - remember that just as it says in the manual, if you are performing a visual approach to a runway, your NAV1 must not be receiving a signal, otherwise FSFS will base your evaluation on that signal.
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SquadronLeader I mention this here because if you decide to land at a nonILS runway which is different from the one you indicated previously in the flight plan page of FSFlyingSchool, then you must pause FS, go back to flight plan page of FSFlyingSchool and change it to the right runway!
Thank you SL. I forgot that one little detail, that is so important.
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| Ole: You love your quotes so - in reference to your last post.... "It's the little things George - the little things..." Michael Caine - 'Mona Lisa'
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oleandreasen (7/27/2008)
SquadronLeader I mention this here because if you decide to land at a nonILS runway which is different from the one you indicated previously in the flight plan page of FSFlyingSchool, then you must pause FS, go back to flight plan page of FSFlyingSchool and change it to the right runway! Thank you SL. I forgot that one little detail, that is so important. SL and Ole, Please don't whip me any more  , but I've got one more question about this and I'll leave it alone after that. I was understanding all of this completely (at least I thought I was) until this last little wrinkle. So let me propose this scenario, and see what you suggest. On our mega upcoming flight, our 1st flight is from KMIA to KTPA. This weekend, I started making non-ILS files for all the runways that are not covered by an ILS system. Don't hold me to this, but if memory serves correctly, there are a couple runways that are not ILS at Tampa. I guess it doesn't matter if it VFR or IFR, but let's say I'm making an IFR flight plan with FSX. I DID NOT pick a runway using FSFS because I'm banking on 95% of time it's probably going to pick an ILS runway anyway. So, I'm about 75 miles out and FSX ATC says that I'm to land on a visual Non-ILS runway. Because, I have this option covered in my upfront homework, do I: a) Continue flying, set my OBS up to the runway alignment of the non-ILS?, or
b) Pause FSX, change to the non-ILS runway ATC calls out for in FSFS, then un-pause FSX and fly your plane on in? I get it if you are landing at an airport with a single runway and both are non-ILS. If you choose one runway for landing in your flight planning, the winds change, it sounds like you pause FSX, change your runway in FSFS, and plow on. Even if you have both runways covered in your non-ILS folder, you still have to pick a runway for FSFS to grade you? I'll do a trial run tonight and see if I can simulate it. Let the beating continue. Thanks,
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Do I:
a) Continue flying, set my OBS up to the runway alignment of the non-ILS?, or
b) Pause FSX, change to the non-ILS runway ATC calls out for in FSFS, then un-pause FSX and fly your plane on in?
Thanks,
Joe:  No beating, bashing or anything. All we want is for you to be able to get a correct score for your flights and landings.
To your question: You do both! You pause, change to the NON-ILS runway in FSFS flightplantab. Then you go back into FSX and then you change your OBS setting to the new runway heading, but most importantly: You must change the frequency in your NAV1, so it does not receive an ILS signal, as this will cause FSFS to evaluate the landing according to the ILS, and therefore assume that you made yet another Stevie Wonder landing, ai "I rate your landing at Zero Points"
But old hoss. Why not keep it as real as you can? If you have ILS capability in your plane, and the airport has ILS systems too, then noone would prefer to land a visual. The ILS landing is safer. the AI in FSX ATC is not very bright, so It might just toss you down a NON-ILS runway, but you should be brighter that the ATC then, and politely ask ATC to have you land on an ILS runway. as you would (or I think I would) in real life. It just a matter of safety. Then you can do as Bill Murray says in "Scrooged": You can make the miracle happen.
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| I whole heartedly agree. I have flown so many flights with the FSX ATC, that I get so pissed when they send me to a visual runway when they could have easily put me on an ILS course. I fully agree, I would rather land with ILS as well, and get knocked around by Mr. Smith as well. I'm still gonna practice the switching out of mode with some easy flight here in Kansas, and get the hang of it just in case. [Edit] - I just tried a couple flights, switching the runways, and it's no big deal chicken wing! Although, Mr. Smith was yelling at me as soon as I did it to get down to the glideslope...yada yada....and I still needed to be 1000' AGL until I started turning to base, but I managed a pretty decent score. Ole, your a good man. Thanks for looking out for an old geezer. Just a couple more days until we start. Did we ever decide how we are going to track each other? E-mails with official score. Post our screen shots logbook? Or does SL have something up his sleeve? Do you think we need to post just another Thread: Who's in? Right now I think it's just gonna be us?
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| Brave WWT pilots! However you decide to track each pilot's progress, please keep it public so we can all learn from and enjoy reading about your fearless exploits.
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SquadronLeader (7/29/2008)
Brave WWT pilots! However you decide to track each pilot's progress, please keep it public so we can all learn from and enjoy reading about your fearless exploits. I can almost guarantee the updates will be flying....I can almost bet Ole and myself will have a great time jawing each other about our trials and tribulations of our WWT. The time is almost upon us. Still trying to figure out which plane(s) I'll be using. The thought of sitting in a small plane the entire time is greatly increasing my decision to fly a heavy jet of some sort as well.
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