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Ooooo! Reeeeeal purdy...  Will Santa take the hint...? 
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I'm hoping Santa overlooks all of my pitfalls this year and brings me IRTracker5. But looking at what's on Ole's list....humm...that's cool!
Joe MiniPresident/CEO/Chief Pilot for Joe Mini World Wide Tours, LLC.
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| I am so tempted to take the plunge on one of those micro propits. Then again, their radio panel is close to being a slam dunk when viewed against Goflight and Saitek panels, but their decision to cut back on their COMMs panel in lieu of a half-thought out autopilot panel makes me pause. The bigger brothers of both the gauge panels are far more tempting, but are well out of my pricebook my wife's pricebook.  Want to see stratospheric pricing? Check out the full blown avionics panels from http://www.flyelite.com/  and from http://www.flypfc.com/ . Divorce court territory, pure and simple. 
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| Ok, so I've been spending too much time thinking about the microProPit (mPP hereafter). So I started nosing around. Using my Graphical Extrapolator®, I'd say that the diameter of the gauges are nigh onto 3.8cm (that's 1.5 American inches). Older eyes, take note - that's about half the size of the real life gauges, and smaller even than the real life engine gauges in a Skyhawk. (If my memory serves. Where's my pancakes???) However bonus points are given for five (again, that's 5 in America) rotary encoders. They appear to be hard coded to Gyro, Baro, Hdg, and OBS1 and OBS2; great - who needs a mouse to fly a plane, eh? Still, all in all I'd have to see one before I'd drop cash on it. The photos I've seen make it seem too small. Not to have this turn into a slam-VRInsight post. Since there are no great radio stacks that deliver style, function and durability - short of dropping nearly 2K USD on a professional simulator package  - I'm liking VRInsight's MPanel more and more. It seems to pack all of the functionality of a stack, plus that of a autopilot, into a box just slightly smaller than their mPP - flaps and gear switches to boot. And for lagniappe, a set of (off-color) OMI LEDs. Besides, I can take the price differential between the MPanel and the mPP and pick up lots of software that's on the horizon - PNW perhaps, and maybe maybe maybe RadarContact 5. It even seems that our dear Squadron Leader has something cooking in these parts - I'm behind in buying my Skyhawk Detail Pack, but I'll rectify that soon too. 
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Fenric (11/19/2009)
Ok, so I've been spending too much time thinking about the microProPit (mPP hereafter). So I started nosing around. Using my Graphical Extrapolator®, I'd say that the diameter of the gauges are nigh onto 3.8cm (that's 1.5 American inches). Older eyes, take note - that's about half the size of the real life gauges, and smaller even than the real life engine gauges in a Skyhawk. (If my memory serves. Where's my pancakes???) However bonus points are given for five (again, that's 5 in America) rotary encoders. They appear to be hard coded to Gyro, Baro, Hdg, and OBS1 and OBS2; great - who needs a mouse to fly a plane, eh? Still, all in all I'd have to see one before I'd drop cash on it. The photos I've seen make it seem too small. Not to have this turn into a slam-VRInsight post. Since there are no great radio stacks that deliver style, function and durability - short of dropping nearly 2K USD on a professional simulator package - I'm liking VRInsight's MPanel more and more. It seems to pack all of the functionality of a stack, plus that of a autopilot, into a box just slightly smaller than their mPP - flaps and gear switches to boot. And for lagniappe, a set of (off-color) OMI LEDs. Besides, I can take the price differential between the MPanel and the mPP and pick up lots of software that's on the horizon - PNW perhaps, and maybe maybe maybe RadarContact 5. It even seems that our dear Squadron Leader has something cooking in these parts - I'm behind in buying my Skyhawk Detail Pack, but I'll rectify that soon too.
Jesus Fenric. Here I go making a Christmas wish, and you take the whole hardware side to flight simulators into the equation. You are one serious considerer my man...
I just think that perspective is needed here. As you said above, some of the really cool stuff is so far out of a normal persons budget (or his wifes....) that the bare thought of it is foolish. (I would like a Ferrari to drive to work every day, but that is also far fetched...)
So Im back to the Citroen Berlingo style in flight simulators, and thus back to the mPP and the mJP - for jets, and thinking about your size considerations.
Just short of 4 cm. gauges? well that might be smaller than the real thing, but considering that I look out the cockpit window, at the entire world - through a 22" monitor, and have a 19" monitor to throw GPS gauges and stuff on, and Fenric, I do believe that the windows in a Cessna 172 are larger than that too... So things are scaled down already.
I dont know what monitor(s) you use but try to freeze the picture when in your favorite zoomlevel in VC view, and measure the gauges. You think they are more than 4 cm.? I am at work right now, so I cannot do it myself until later, but I hardly think it will be more than 4 cm.
So with the mPP I have approx the same (I think) size gauges, and I am able to loose some of the gauges on screen, making the window to the world, larger.
So the final verdict is that I am keeping the mPP and mJP as Christmas wish #1 and Christmas wish #2
But after reading about the Mpanel  - this has just joined the two above and is now my Christmas wish #3. Along with my Saitek Switch panel, those items should make a cool system.
Now if only I could get Santa to forget about the - few - blunders I have made throughout the year. 
Regards
Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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| Great discussion guys - I love it! Let's hope you both keep on your wive's good sides and manage to get a little something for Christmas, despite these troubled economic times. Lots of lovely gear to choose from - we are becoming spoiled for choice...
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| Ole, Points taken. (Please realize that I'm also engaging in "talking myself out of the 'gotta-have-it mode' and into the 'only-really-interested mode.'" I've a free DVI port, so I can go for an mPP - it's in my top 10 fsx items list. You mentioned "favorite zoomlevel" - in cruse mode, I like to dial back to 60/70%, but in takeoff and landing mode I keep my VC to 100% to better see the details that are right in front of me. That has me wondering, what zoomlevels do others use? I have a single 22-inch widescreen monitor (seconded from my job  ) so at 1x, my main gauges are 4.63 cm wide. At 90% zoom, they're 4.18cm - that's getting to borderline for me as far as detail - hence my hesitation on the mPP. However... if I could rig up a mount so I could fix a mPP to the top of my CH yoke, that would bring the mPP gauges @ 7 inches closer, effectively increasing the relative size.... I let my certificate lapse a few years ago, and stopped simming at the same time. I'm just under 3 months back into MSFS, so I'm eager to over analyze as is well evident. Just noticed that GEX Europe is due out RSN... there's more for the till....
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| After a 35-minute tour autour de l'endroit, the M-Panel has safely earned a spot of favour on the Team Fenric flight deck. In short, if it supports your favourite aircraft and you're otherwise the type at ease with a wrist-mounted 2-button chronograph / calendar / stopwatch / moon phase calculator / fish finder, give it a look.
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