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Iam running FSx on a XP machine.
When On final the instructor repeats to line up with thre runway and then your not alingned with thr runway then I land and it says im not near the centerline.
All of this occurs with the Runway heading on OBS 1, checked using ctl-shift-d. LIne up on the runway and landing on the centerline.
I ran the runway data program on FSDS with FSX
Thanks 'Skyhawk51
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| Hi! If you wnat to fly an approach without ILS, you must load a flight plan into FSFS (regardless of FS) to the runway you will land at.  If any ILS signal is being detected, that signal is used to evaluate your approach, regardless of where you land or any flight plan you have loaded into FSFS. In other words, ILS has precedence.  Which runway did you land at? Did you have an active ILS signal?
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Thanks Squadron Leader for your reply.
The airport I fly out of is KONZ in Grosse Ile Michigan.
I was using rwy17 with 170 on the Nave 1 OBS.
I do not have any addon on sceneries .
I tried making a FP with KONZ as the departure and arrival.
The program instructor referred to get down to the glide slope even though there is no ILS. I wonder if the GS is 3 deg. using the PAPI Lights.
While on base on a hdg of 260 the "instructor" tells me I'm not lined up with the runway. This is repeated as I turn final and Line up.
Then when I land on the centerline he says I was not near the centerline.
I have over 300hrs in the Skyhawk and over 500 landings. And I have yet to get over a 60 on a landing score.
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Skyhawk 51
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Just a thought...
Pattern or circuit flying is where a student spends a majority of their time until they solo. The pattern is a mini cross country with departure, Climbout, cruising, on the downwind leg, descent to pattern and then onto final approach.
I wonder why you have to score a 70 on a landing before you can do this in FSFS???
With hat I saw in the demo video, the instruction would be helpful for those starting out in FSFS.
Still trying to hit 70 on the landing. I get a low score when landing on the numbers on the centerline.
SkyHawk51
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Skyhawk51 (8/7/2009)
Thanks Squadron Leader for your reply.
The airport I fly out of is KONZ in Grosse Ile Michigan.
I was using rwy17 with 170 on the Nave 1 OBS.
I do not have any addon on sceneries .
I tried making a FP with KONZ as the departure and arrival.
The program instructor referred to get down to the glide slope even though there is no ILS. I wonder if the GS is 3 deg. using the PAPI Lights.
While on base on a hdg of 260 the "instructor" tells me I'm not lined up with the runway. This is repeated as I turn final and Line up.
Then when I land on the centerline he says I was not near the centerline.
I have over 300hrs in the Skyhawk and over 500 landings. And I have yet to get over a 60 on a landing score.
Thanks
Skyhawk 51
Hi Skyhawk51
I cannot understand how you can´t get above 50 points in landings. There must be something that is not set correctly when you land non-ils (is IS non-ils right?)
When you land non-ils you have to make and save a flightplan in FSX, then you must load this flightplan into FSFlyingschool. You must set the flightplan in FSFlyingschool to the runway you are landing on, and set the Nav1 OBS indicator to the correct heading. Are you clear on all those steps? Please dont think I try to condesend to you, I just try to make sure that all is set up correctly.
Once I did a pic tutorial - See it HERE that explains the sequence of setting up the system for landing. You could just look to see if it complies with your setting up.
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Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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Skyhawk51 (8/7/2009)
Just a thought...
Pattern or circuit flying is where a student spends a majority of their time until they solo. The pattern is a mini cross country with departure, Climbout, cruising, on the downwind leg, descent to pattern and then onto final approach.
I wonder why you have to score a 70 on a landing before you can do this in FSFS???
With hat I saw in the demo video, the instruction would be helpful for those starting out in FSFS.
Still trying to hit 70 on the landing. I get a low score when landing on the numbers on the centerline.
SkyHawk51
Back in time I thought it was strange that the circuits were closed too, until you hit the 70 mark. After I did that I started doing circuits, and I began to understand why they werent open from the start.
It might be (I dont fly in real life) that students do circuits for training, but doing circuits in FSX having FSFS´s Mr.Smith to evaluate you, well that is hard to do good. I believe that if I had started my FSFS career doing circuits, I actually might have been discuraged away from FSFS, because of the lack of succes. Every good program must have the new user to have succes FAST, or many "non-nerded" ai standard users will leave and try something else.
So I understand and agree completely with the decision to lock the circuits until you have the basics in place in FSFS.
Regards
Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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Hello Ole,
I do not think your were condescending so no apology is needed.
The problem was I was loading the FP after connecting to FSX. Scored 85 on the ldg and 95 on the flight.
Ii did not understand from Page 13 of the manual that the fp was loaded then you connect. Thanks
The next question is that I can get the circuit training on fly crosswind , downwind, base and final but I still have an alignment problem. I placed the aircraft on the rwy and saved the flight in FSX. I then made a FP with Konz being both the departure and arrival airport.
I then made a file in the NonILS folder: 17,175,N42_6_14,W83_10_00,3,Grosse Ile Mi.KONZ. using the coordinates from the FSX map page but this is not what shows on on the FSFS FP page for the runway coordinates.
As I fly the circuit I get messages that make sense until I am on final and I get the message that I not aligned with the centerline.
Thanks for your patience
Skyhawk51
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Skyhawk51 (8/8/2009)
Hello Ole,
I do not think your were condescending so no apology is needed.
The problem was I was loading the FP after connecting to FSX. Scored 85 on the ldg and 95 on the flight.
Ii did not understand from Page 13 of the manual that the fp was loaded then you connect. Thanks
The next question is that I can get the circuit training on fly crosswind , downwind, base and final but I still have an alignment problem. I placed the aircraft on the rwy and saved the flight in FSX. I then made a FP with Konz being both the departure and arrival airport.
I then made a file in the NonILS folder: 17,175,N42_6_14,W83_10_00,3,Grosse Ile Mi.KONZ. using the coordinates from the FSX map page but this is not what shows on on the FSFS FP page for the runway coordinates.
As I fly the circuit I get messages that make sense until I am on final and I get the message that I not aligned with the centerline.
Thanks for your patience
Skyhawk51
Skyhawk51
No worries.... glad that you got yourself a landingscore that allows you to get to the circuits 
Could you upload the flightplan and saved flight files (its in your document folder under FSX) or mail them to me? (oandreasen@gmail.com)
But thing is, you dont have to make a runway file to fly circuits. once you select circuit you are told to land HERE (the exact spot where you selected circuits. and this point is recorded by the FSFlyingschool program. But if thats the same place where you made the rwy file, then the runway alignment should be ok still, so Im not sure why you are getting the wrong alignment. You still use defaul runway scenery for the KONZ airport right?
Could you try another airport and see if it works there? You could try an ILS based runway to have the benefit of an ILS landing to your circuits, but its your choice. 
UPDATE. I have tried a circuit at KONZ, and I can only replicate your problem if my Nav1OBS setting is wrong. The heading of 175 is correct and I get "good alignment" so thats ok, but if I set my OBS dial wrong, I get the same problem you did..... remember you can always check your nav1obs setting in FSFS by pressing CTRL-SHIFT-D (for Data) and the obs heading will show as the first thing in the green textline.
Regards
Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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| Sounds like you're getting there - thanks Ole for helping! I am not clear as to which version of FSFS you have. If you have FSFS2009 there is no need to create NonILS folder files as the runway data can all be generated for you automatically by FSFS2009. Also - to clarify, the flight plan must be loaded into FSFS (loading it into FS makes no difference) when flying approaches without ILS - we're all on the same page here I think, but please note that you can load the FP into FSFS whenever you like, so long as it is before the approach begins. You can even change it if you need to land at a different airfield or on a different runway. Even so - try to load it before you press connect because that way the instructor knows where you are going and can call off and score extra points for passing waypoints correctly. And Ole is quite right - we made sure that pilots cannot do circuits until they have proved a certain basic proficiency in using FSFlyingSchool in addition to actual flight skills. In beta testing of the original product, folks got frustrated because they did not fully understand what FSFS was expecting of them when flying circuits. Getting good scores in circuits is still pretty tough because it is such an exacting experience in FSFS. It's rather like the Rod Machado lessons in FS - there is very little margin of error allowed.
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| SL Skyhawk and I actually mailed back and forth last night, and found out that the alignment worked fine in FS9 and on an ILS runway (still circuits) in FSX, so the problem at this runway is not FSFS related, but one of the whopsies in FSX more likely.
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Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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