Am I asking too much of FSFS for this sort of flying?  It certainly leaves Mr. Smith pretty exhausted.

BTW, FSFS still handles the situation pretty well, which shows just how much thought went into the product.

Happy flying

Stan

Thanks for your kind words and for sharing your experience using FSFS in a type of flying that not everyone does. I share your interesting in bush flying - the scenery in FS really can be quite a treat to see, especially around valleys and such, with the Sun at a cool angle.

I think that most of what you mentioned would be solved by entering landing mode later.

Descent during takeoff is certainly marked down as a mistake, but Smitty and his team will not find fault if you descend while cruising. 

You will lose points if you are getting really low (AGL) while cruising - but that is another matter.

Perhaps try entering landing mode (as I always say - the experts have this on manual control in FSFS and not automatic) when you turn onto your base leg. I think that might do the trick, but am certainly open to comments from others!

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We'd like to have the files - sure - I cannot promise we will fly the flight tomorrow(!) but it would be very nice to have it for reference.

Please let us know how you get on.

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Oh dear, I just found that the site won't allow me to upload these file types, so if you'll tell me where to send them to, I'll gladly do so.

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Hi Stan,

Located the flight files into the correct folder (Doohhhhh) and loaded  your saved flight. Initial problem was that I did not have the Real Air Cessna so instead I used the Real Air Scout with your user defined weather.

Flight:

Found myself approaching the downwind segment of the circuit heading 300 deg. at 2000ft.  At this point I manually entered c/s/z for landing mode [I look at c/s/z as announcing my intention to land & will shortly be entering the circuit, as opposed to  being established in the circuit]. Immediately after c/s/z selected 7 deg flap, first notch on the Scout, mixture rich & prop fully fine.

Descended to 1000ft to a point over the lake & turned base & then finals. Selected 14 deg flap second notch & 70 kts IAS. I cleared the ridge of the hill by 500ft aprox. & then glided in with minimal power down the slope of the hill to RW 11. It was a steep descent & Smithy did complain once.  Approach faster than normal (usually like to be 60/65kt IAS over the fence), needed big flare & landed 1/3 way down the R/W.

Observations:

• Reminder to myself. Instead of clearing the ridge by 500ft aim for 100ft & start descent as soon as you clear ridge.
• “I have no glideslope, unless you get one…..” comment from Smithy. My understanding is that Smithy is stating that you are not tuned into ILS & therefore he understands that you will be doing a visual approach & landing. If this is correct then perhaps it might be better if Smithy were to say nothing unless you are tuned into ILS when he could say “Great, I see we are doing an ILS approach”.  
• Perhaps it would help if you were to look at c/s/z differently. As already stated above, when bush flying I will enter c/s/z closer to the field than when landing at larger fields, it varies, whatever floats your boat.
• Always selected flaps immediately after c/s/z to avoid a “late flaps report” (personally I think that Smithy is a bit anal about this and perhaps could give say 30 seconds for initial flap selections opposed to what seems like a 2 second grace period.)
• In an effort to be “realistic”, wherever possible, I make this observation. I do not believe an instructor would say “I have no glide slope, unless you get one you will be doing a visual approach”  rather, I believe, he would more likely say “OK, we are doing a visual approach” or “Great, I see we are doing an ILS approach”.  

I hope this helps. My preference is also for bush flying, more to see and do!

I bet you field would be quite suicidal in poor vis.

Biggles

Biggles piloting American Champion Scout FSX black ended 07 February 2010 at 09:49

Aircraft: Bellanca    ID: C-RYRA    Airline:     Flight:

Flight plan:     NAV1:

Failure(s): None at landing

Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None

Failure Bonus:0%   Flight Duration:00 Hours   07 Mins   31 Secs

Landing Score:68.40

Landing was successful in the following areas:

* Gentle touchdown.

* Good landing speed - not too fast.

* Wings were level.

* Good pitch control after touchdown.

* Good pitch at landing.

* With flaps - good job.

* Heading aligned with runway.

* Throttle(s) idle.

* Good controlled final descent to touchdown.

* Good steering after landing.

Landing included the following problems:

* No glideslope information was available on visual approach.

* No runway alignment information was available on visual approach.

* No glideslope - could not compare flare to glideslope.

Definite room for improvement...

Flight Score:0.00 (Flight did not include take off...)

Flight commended in the following areas:

* Smooth turns.

* Nice banking.

* Correct matching of flaps to speeds.

* Comfortable G forces.

* Smooth pitch control.

* Flown within aircraft's maximum speed limit.

* Gentle taxi turns.

* Appropriate position of flaps during taxi.

* Safe taxi speed.

* Smooth braking during taxi.

* Wings level near ground.

* Well coordinated turns.

* No stalls.

* No flying dangerously close to stall speed.

* Smooth comfortable descent rate.

* Pitch not too high.

* Pitch not too low.

* Flaps down on time.

* Approach speed not too fast.

* Low altitude speeds not too fast.

* Good clearance of obstacles.

A smooth flight! Biggles piloting American Champion Scout FSX black ended 07 February 2010 at 09:49

* No stalls.

* No flying dangerously close to stall speed.

* Smooth comfortable descent rate.

* Pitch not too high.

* Pitch not too low.

* Flaps down on time.

* Approach speed not too fast.

* Low altitude speeds not too fast.

* Good clearance of obstacles.

A smooth flight!

Stan

Aircraft: Cessna ID: VH-KBT Airline: Flight:
Flight plan: NAV1:
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 09 Mins 35 Secs

Landing Score:70.00

Landing was successful in the following areas:

Gentle touchdown.

Good landing speed - not too fast.
Wings were level.
Good pitch control after touchdown.
Good pitch at landing.
With flaps - good job.
Heading aligned with runway.
Throttle(s) idle.
Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
Good steering after landing.

Landing included the following problems: No glideslope information was available on visual approach.
No runway alignment information was available on visual approach.
No glideslope - could not compare flare to glideslope.
Definite room for improvement...

Flight Score:0.00 (Flight did not include take off...)

Flight commended in the following areas: Smooth turns.
Nice banking.
Correct matching of flaps to speeds.
Comfortable G forces.
Smooth pitch control.
Flown within aircraft's maximum speed limit.
Gentle taxi turns.
Appropriate position of flaps during taxi.
Safe taxi speed.
Smooth braking during taxi.
Wings level near ground.
Well coordinated turns.
No stalls.
No flying dangerously close to stall speed.
Smooth comfortable descent rate.
Pitch not too high.
Pitch not too low.
Approach speed not too fast.
Low altitude speeds not too fast.
Good clearance of obstacles.
Flight included the following problems: Flaps not down on time - plan your landing next time.

• Definite room for improvement...

Sorry I have not read all of the thread - I am just trying to sort out the problem Stan had with the last flight he reported. It was a visual approach with no flight plan loaded into FSFS and that will not work in FSFS.

You need either:

a) An ILS signal and land at the runway from where the signal is being broadcast

or

b) A flight plan loaded into FSFS and land at the runway selected at the FSFS flight plan page and make sure you have no ILS signal

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