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Hi all,
I'm practicing the c182rg for the Hawaii tour (we love to have more enthusiasts for this tour!!).
Every time I get a landing score of 0.00 because of "Landing too fast".
All the other things on landing are well.
What causes this?
Is it the speed, the decent rate of what?
I'm landing at about 70 knots. Is this to fast for a cessna 182rg?
Hope you can help me with this.
He guys, come on, join us with the Hawaii tour, enjoy the scenery and the fun it can give you 
Kindly regards,
Jacob.
Regards,
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Kebas (4/24/2009)
Hi all,
I'm practicing the c182rg for the Hawaii tour (we love to have more enthusiasts for this tour!!).
Every time I get a landing score of 0.00 because of "Landing too fast".
All the other things on landing are well.
What causes this?
Is it the speed, the decent rate of what?
I'm landing at about 70 knots. Is this to fast for a cessna 182rg?
Hope you can help me with this.
He guys, come on, join us with the Hawaii tour, enjoy the scenery and the fun it can give you
Kindly regards,
Jacob.
Hi Jacob
Don´t have the stats on the C182, but 70 kts dosent seem very fast. Try slower. BUT "landing too fast" wont rob all your points away. Something else must be wrong.
Where are you landing? ILS or Visual landing? could you cut and paste the written evaluation for one of the zero landings here? If its a non-ils (visual) landing then did you make a runwayfile? whats the distance to the touchdown point?
Ole
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Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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Hi Ole,
I'm trying to land on HI01, the first landing from the Hawaii tour.
I've made an nonILS file with the touchdown point between the numbers 23 from the runway.
Here are my data from this afternoon:
[font=Tahoma]Test piloting Cessna Skylane 182R RG ended Friday, April 24, 2009 at 15:31
FSFlyingSchool 2009 (January 19 2009)
Using: FS2004
Visibility: 80.47 Miles Wind: 0 Knots
Aircraft: Cessna ID: N615PA Airline: Flight:
Flight plan: PHLI TO HI01 NAV1:
Failure(s): None at landing
Failure Event(s) (Zulu Time): None
Failure Bonus:0% Flight Duration:00 Hours 19 Mins 09 Secs
Landing Score:0.00
Landing was successful in the following areas:
* Good glideslope on visual approach.
* Good alignment with runway on visual approach.
* Gentle touchdown.
* Wings were level.
* Distance from touchdown target (visual approach): 576 feet
* Glideslope held until flare.
* Good pitch control after touchdown.
* Good pitch at landing.
* With flaps - good job.
* Heading aligned with runway.
* Throttle(s) idle.
* Good controlled final descent to touchdown.
* Good steering after landing.
Landing included the following problems:
* Too fast - you had to force the plane to stay down.
Definite room for improvement...
Flight Score:88.14
Flight commended in the following areas:
* Smooth turns.
* Nice banking.
* Correct matching of flaps to speeds.
* Gear deployment at safe speed.
* Comfortable G forces.
* Smooth pitch control.
* Flown within aircraft's maximum speed limit.
* Gentle taxi turns.
* Good take off steering.
* Appropriate position of flaps during taxi.
* Safe taxi speed.
* Smooth braking during taxi.
* Well coordinated turns.
* No stalls.
* No flying dangerously close to stall speed.
* Smooth comfortable descent rate.
* Pitch not too low.
* Flaps down on time.
* Approach speed not too fast.
* Low altitude speeds not too fast.
* Good clearance of obstacles.
Flight included the following problems:
* Late rotation - when Vr is reached - take off.
* Loss of altitude during takeoff - climb smoothly.
* Wings not level near ground - danger of clipping a wing.
* Nose held too high - spilt drinks and worried expressions.
Definite room for improvement...[/font]
Any suggestion?
Greetings,
Jacob.
Regards,
Jacob.
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just as I thought. The problem is that you landed 576 feet from the landing point. More than about 500 feet will swallow all your points. And remember that its less than 200 meters and you fly 200 meters very very fast even in a C182.
Be sure that you made the runwayfile on that exact point, practise to set the wheels down exactly on that spot. If you are within - I think its 50 feet or so, you will actually get additional points for the precise landing, but after that (and its in all directions) the points start to suck away real quick.
within about 150 feet is what I consider okay, further away and I start to hang my head....
And its when the wheels STAY down. its no good if you bump down and ascend again. Only when the wheels stay down, will be considered your landingspot.
So Jacob. remember as much flaps as the speed indicates, speed as low as you can get it without stalling, and flare at 20 feet. But your landing seemed to be fine, apart from the distance
Stay at it, and report your progress.
And remember - we start friday!
Regards
Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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Ole,
Thanks for your support, now I know where to practice! 
One more question:
During approach mr. Smith keep telling I'm to high for the glidescope, but it is certainly not, because when I fly ahead, I'll get at the right point of the runway. In the NONILS file for HI01 I've set the Glidescope to 3. When do I use 4 or perhaps 2? Can you tell me what these numbers stand for?
Thanks again,
Jacob.
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Kebas (4/24/2009)
Ole,
Thanks for your support, now I know where to practice!
One more question:
During approach mr. Smith keep telling I'm to high for the glidescope, but it is certainly not, because when I fly ahead, I'll get at the right point of the runway. In the NONILS file for HI01 I've set the Glidescope to 3. When do I use 4 or perhaps 2? Can you tell me what these numbers stand for?
Thanks again,
Jacob.
Jacob
It´s glideslope - not glidescope (It took me months to get that right myself  )
Mr. Smith is not always in agreement with the lamps on the runway, as weather you are too high or not. The auto-made non-ils runways are always made with a glideslope of 3 degrees. In real life that could differ.
If you want to be sure, then make a google search for the ICAO code for the runway/airport. You might find different glideslopes. But if Mr.Smith is leading you towards a wrong point, you can try and fiddle with other settings, for instance 4 or 2 degrees. And degrees is what it is. the slope (downhill from an altitude to the runway)
Regards
Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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| Keep in mind that you can fly too low or too high for the GS and still land at exactly the right spot. If you were too low, you'd have risked trimming the tops off trees on the way to the right spot. If you were too high, you'd have risked making a nice big hole in the ground when you reached the right spot, or even... landing too fast.  Also keep in mind that FSFS2009 creates all the runway data for you. I don't know if you have FSFS2009. If you do, you can still make your own runway files of course and you can change the GS to 4 or whatever (I recall London City is 5.5!) but you have to get the coordinates for the file exactly correct or the evaluation of the landing will be meaningless. And thanks Ole - you are quite right - you have to land very close to the touchdown point indicated in the NONILS file in order to get a good score. I think the FSFS data says that the c182rg has a landing config stall of 39 KIAS and so MrSmith and his team will be looking for a touchdown speed close to that. Try full flaps and touching down something under 50 KIAS. That will solve the "landing too fast" but again, you will need to land very close to the right spot to get a good score. I hope you all have a fantastic time in Hawaii!
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Hi Squadronleader,
Also keep in mind that FSFS2009 creates all the runway data for you. I don't know if you have FSFS2009. If you do, you can still make your own runway files of course and you can change the GS to 4 or whatever (I recall London City is 5.5!) but you have to get the coordinates for the file exactly correct or the evaluation of the landing will be meaningless.
I have FSFS2009, so I've made NONILS files myself for Visual Approaches. Do I understand you right that's not necessary in FSFS2009 for NONILS runways? How does this work?
Kindly regards,
Jacob.
Regards,
Jacob.
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Kebas (4/25/2009)
Hi Squadronleader, Also keep in mind that FSFS2009 creates all the runway data for you. I don't know if you have FSFS2009. If you do, you can still make your own runway files of course and you can change the GS to 4 or whatever (I recall London City is 5.5!) but you have to get the coordinates for the file exactly correct or the evaluation of the landing will be meaningless. I have FSFS2009, so I've made NONILS files myself for Visual Approaches. Do I understand you right that's not necessary in FSFS2009 for NONILS runways? How does this work? Kindly regards, Jacob. Hi Jacob The FSFS2009 has a feature that can - in one single keypress - create runway files for all runways in the entire world. Neat huh? You go to the "settings" tab in the FSFS program and press the "Generate runway data for FSX or for FS2004" then an automated process is started making all the runway files in the world. Just bear in mind that with these runway files, the landing spot is always on the very start of the runway . Not numbers, but the edge of the runway. If you feel comfortable with this, then dont spend time making runway files - just aim for the edge of the runways. I think the feature is great, but when I have a specific airport in mind, when flight prepping, I prefer to make a runway file, because I like to have some room on the runway, before I touch down. so I aim for the last set of fat stripes (if there are such) or another easy spotted mark on the runway. Choice is yours. Ole p.s. How are you doing landing close to your landing spot? getting points for landings?
Regards
Ole Andreasen, Denmark
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Hi Ole,
Thank for your reply. It's very clear now.
For the Hawaii tour I've made all the NonILS files myself.
Works fine.
And my landing score is increasing indeed.
The highest for now is 81.50 points, where the only comment is: "Landing too fast". (and 49 feet from touchdown target)
The manual tells, that landing below 80 knots is right, but FSFS needs below 60 knots I think.
But I'm progressing 
Greetings,
Jacob.
Regards,
Jacob.
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