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Posted Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:06:10 AM


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Guys,

Having spent the weekend practicing visual approaches to my custom Non-ILS runway as well as my ILS approaches I consistently score higher on my ILS approaches. I have just scored 100+ for the first time so feeling smug!!

What do you others find easier; Visual or ILS?

Any body got any tips for improving my Non-ILS approaches? I seem to think my lining up with the runway heading is the issue.

Cheers

Big Moose

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Posted Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:26:31 AM


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mph64 (9/23/2009)
Guys,

Having spent the weekend practicing visual approaches to my custom Non-ILS runway as well as my ILS approaches I consistently score higher on my ILS approaches. I have just scored 100+ for the first time so feeling smug!!

What do you others find easier; Visual or ILS?

Any body got any tips for improving my Non-ILS approaches? I seem to think my lining up with the runway heading is the issue.

Cheers


Well Big moose.

I have flown for years with only visual, not knowing how to perform ILS landings. Not until FSFS did I get that right. After learning til ILS landing, I loved them, and scored higher every time than in visual. But lately I have found that I tend to like (and perform) better the visuals again, and right now I score higher visual than on ILS (see my scores in the C100 tour and you will see that)

And congratulations on the 100+ score. Its great to break that barrier...

I bought a book on flying the Boeing 700 series, written by Mike Ray, excellent book, and in that one there was a card to use as a bookmark, with the glideslope shown, so you can see where to be (altitudewise) at a given range from the runway. That helped me, and well, the PAPI lights are a very good measurer too.

As for the runway heading.... well always have the rwy heading in mind (and on the OBS1 indicator) and be sure that you´re on the right course, smaller adjustments can be made, but try to keep it straight.

You can practice by placing the plane on the runway and, putting just the tiniest bit of gum, or tape on the monitor right on the center of the runway further ahead on the runway. This way you will always align correctly. I have a tendency to place my plane a little bit to the left of the centerline, because I am in the left seat of course, but placing that tiny piece of gum helped me measure where the centerline of the plane should be, when coming in for landing. Now I dont need it anymore.

Just my two cents.


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Ole Andreasen, Denmark

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Posted Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:58:08 AM


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mph64 (9/23/2009)
Guys,

Having spent the weekend practicing visual approaches ....................Any body got any tips for improving my Non-ILS approaches? I seem to think my lining up with the runway heading is the issue.

Cheers

Like they say, practicepracticepractice!

My average score (landing + flight) has steadily increased since I started on these tours. Know doubt the element of competition helps, witness the feeling of dismay when you mess up a landing and get the dreaded "zero". I found if you can execute a good approach and land close (Aprx.25ft) to your landing spot and Smithy, your instructor, is in a good mood, then you should get a good score

Repeat after me "I will get no zero's"

Biggles

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Posted Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:08:31 AM
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I will get no zeros

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Posted Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:38:55 AM


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Boys youre going at it the wrong way... My chant will be:

I will get zeros. Zero no-pointers..... LOL

I have to, if I am to beat the living daylights out of you - again!


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Ole Andreasen, Denmark

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Posted Sunday, October 04, 2009 4:19:40 AM


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BM:

My advice to folks is always to start in FSFS with ILS, as it shows you what to do once you have set it up correctly, and you don't have to worry as much about the landing point or the runway data etc in FSFS.

Sure - this is counterintuitive "surely ILS comes after visual in the real world?" but I am talking about the real world of flying with a PC and with FSFS.

Once ILS approaches have been mastered, move on to visual - these require more work to set up in FSFS (you MUST file a flight plan) - and you get no instruments to tell you to line up (laterally) with the runway. The PAPI or VASI lights will help on the glideslope, but there is a large null zone between the too high and the too low indications and so they take practice to use correctly.

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