I pulled my old Flight1 Skyhawk out of mothballs yesterday and decided to get some training time in at Townsville.  The first thing I noticed was Smitty chiding me with a "You're flying too fast, slow down" when I was straight & level with calm air at 117kias - well into the green arc on my airspeed indicator. (Upper ranges goes to 129.)  The aircraft page in FSFS showed it was using an f1_cessna_122.fsr file.  So what's the max speed to keep Smitty happy and - more importantly - how can I bump it up a tad?

Then Smitty fouled up a landing.  I'm on ILS and slowing down after entering landing mode and he calls out "Lower flaps if you intend to land." So I extend flaps only to hear him chastise "Too fast for flaps, retract them."  When's all said and done of course I get dinged for lowering flaps too early and for not using flaps on time.  D'oh.

Don't get me wrong, these aren't complaints.  Hardware and scenery aside, FSFS is still my favorite FSX utility.

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"Geronimo"

The situtation is that FSFS deals with the data it is given by FS and by the aircraft profile files (FSU and FSR) and if it is wrong it does not know that.

It sounds like the data in the fsr file does not correctly match the plane - for whatever reason.

I can't see a file called "f1_cessna_122.fsr" in the current aircarft zip file or from installations of FSFS2009 v 2.3.

This does not match the plane (a c172) either.

Can you email us a screen shot of the aircraft page in FSFS when this plane is flying so we can take a look at all the values?

Can you also email us the FSR file it was using?

Finally - thanks for the kind words about FSFS!

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I'm willing to experiment - famous last words - so would it be the IASTooFastForFlaps0 value that I should look at changing?  (Thinking that Flaps0 would mean "no flaps" and that 110KIAS is too slow a max setting for "no flaps.")

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"Geronimo"

We'd really like to see what the values are before pressing on with this otherwise we don't know what to suggest -

What is the exact name of the folder that the aircraft is installed in?

Can you email us a screen shot of the aircraft page in FSFS when this plane is flying so we can take a look at all the values?

Can you also email us the FSR file it was using?


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The Email function on the board doesn't permit me access, so I'll fire off the files via SMTP to info-at....

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"Geronimo"

Got the files - thanks!

There are 2 points.

1. Being told to slow down... We get the Vne speed from the data supplied by the FS plane itself or the 3rd party add-on plane.
It could be that this is incorrect with this plane...? Try this - fly it gradually faster and faster and let me know at precisely which speed IAS Smitty starts to complain.
This is not something that is controlled by FSR data.

2. Flaps... There is a completely straightforward screnario in which this may have occured. Smitty recommends flaps if you are slow enough to deploy at least the first flap setting. But if the pilot then deploys more flaps, Smitty will complain if you are too fast for that (2nd or 3rd etc) flaps setting. I would think that is what happened here - I have no other explanation and this feature has been working fine since 2006.

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1. I took Smitty up for a quick spin earlier.  At 118-119 KIAS in the F1 Skyhawk R, Smitty's nerves get the better of him and he started asking to slow down.  I then transitioned to a stock 172, and Smitty was good well into the 150s - though he noted that I was decending well too fast.

D'ya think it would make any difference that the aircraft.cfg's max_indicated_speed for the stock 172 is Vne and the max_indicated_speed for the F1 172 is Vno???

As a test, I copied the stock .cfg value into the F1 .cfg file and on the final flight of the night Smitty said nary a word well past 140 KIAS - I promised him I'd keep it under 150 as it was getting late, etc.

2. As for the flaps, it's only happened once.  I'm confident that I only applied one notch of flaps at the time, but I can't swear that's the case.  IIRC, I was over 100 KIAS (110 is Vfe for 10degrees) so perhaps I was borderline Vfe and crossed that point from one moment to the next.

Cheers! 

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"Geronimo"

It sounds like you've found the issue - the value in the cfg file for the add-on aircraft does not match the Vne speed for the aircraft.

FSFS (aka MrSmith) is fed these values by FS and all he can do is give instruction based on what he was told by FS. He is also told some things by FSR and FSU files - but this is not one of them. By adjusting the cfg file for the add-on I am sure you have solved it.

2. As for the flaps, it's only happened once.  I'm confident that I only applied one notch of flaps at the time, but I can't swear that's the case.  IIRC, I was over 100 KIAS (110 is Vfe for 10degrees) so perhaps I was borderline Vfe and crossed that point from one moment to the next.

I expect that was the case.

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